I was reared in a IFB and I can tell you a lot of stuff was going on. If a man lusted, it was the woman’s fault. If a man strayed from his wife, it was the woman’s fault for letting herself go! The man is the head of the household:AKA treat your wife and kids like crap! I was a troubled teen. I held a lot of stuff in. I felt I had no one to turn to. If you get a divorce you are unworthy, unacceptable! Trash! Women are not to hold any position of authority. Women are stupid! I saw a lot of arragance! However, today I am my own person. I make my own decisions. I go to a church where I can wear blue jeans and flip flops and be loved as I am. I served on a committee. I have been ordained to preach! I will as soon as I raise the money. Yes, I have some people that will shun me when I do. But remember the first evangelist was a female. The woman came to Jesus and said I have sinned forgive me. Jesus: You do not have just one husband but five! Go and sin no more. She had Jesus’s love in her immediately and ran to tell everyone. Come and meet a man that told me of my sins and healed me! Does God love her theology any less because her sex determination is female??? I don’t think so!
I was raised in an IFB church (until 1991, age 17 I ran away). I had never seen a show about the same church like mine until last Fri night. It was like for the first time…someone said exactly the way I was raised. Alot of people look @ me funny when I tell them I went to church Sun morn & night & Wed night. Went to the church school. Participated in only chuch acitivites & talked to only church people & everyone else was “of the world”. I understand the clothing rule, dating rule, music rule. I was the only girl in my grade @ school, w/ about 7 of us in my grade. I had a boyfriend &: he wasn’t even allowed to sit behind me & put his feet on the back bar of a metal folding chair, per church school rules. For awhile, the principle was allowed to paddle us. I was a “bad” girl becase I would sneak & listen to rock music…I was the bad one…& honestly…I was..I was very good in my book, but not what they thought of my. Extreme rules were horrible. I was taught stupid crap in that church. By age 13…I started having my own ideas…& they weren’t acceptable. God is too big for religion. I held so much anger in my heart when I left home @ age 17 for many many years. 37 today & I believe Christ died on the cross..alot of the principles but I still won’t walk into a church. A Bob Jones graduate dated my sis & is older brother to my highschool sweetheart. Today..he’s arrogant & judgmental (the older bro). Every religion has it’s sickos. i’m so glad that I watched 20/20 & heard others share my life.
I watched the story in total BELIEF! I was in an abusive pentecostal church from the time I was 12 until I was 18. I suffered from the residual effects harshly through my 40′s and although I have worked through much of the abuse and humilitation through prayer and counseling I still have things to work out from this situation. It is not the religions that are at fault. I still have a deep love for God and His Church. It is the men and women, yes there are women as well, who call themselved Pastors and Ministers and severaly abuse these callings and the trust of those in the spritual care. My hurt is that there are those who died due to lifestyles of drug abuse,alcoholism and other situations and the church used them as examples of what would happen if you were to backslide. Why couldn’t they see that these were victims of such horrific spitirual abuse that it caused them to take on these lifestyles. When you feel that nothing you do is acceptable to God you begin to do anything to mask the guilt and shame. This is how the devil uses abusive churches to destroy God’s children. A lot of people ask me how we stayed in that situation. But unless you have been in a spiritually abusive situation and understand the brainwashing that goes on it is hard to relate. Thankfully I am in a loving relationship with God, but it took many years for me to come back to Him and to realize that He is a loving, caring God of redemption. I pray that these exposures continue. I welcome the opportunity to share my own story of degradation, sexual abuse and humiliation if it will help someone to realize that they are not alone and there is a God who forgives and loves us all.
20 years of IFB, and I was abused throughout. As an early adult, I married a girl not in the IFB, and was all but banned from the community. when I was diagnosed with cancer, my parents, pastors all told me God gave me cancer because of my sins. I have broke away from this cult and no longer have speaking terms with my parents or siblings. Getting out of this cult will cost you the ‘friendship’ of every person you ever knew. This is why 90% of those who are raised in the IFB way, stick within the IFB bubble. You are brainwashed to believe their way is the ONLY way and those who question it have it beaten out of them until adulthood. I could sit for 10 hours and tell the most amazing stories of this cult. I have seen and lived through it all. God bless those who are able to get out of this cult and live a normal life, while at the same time keeping your faith.
While these girls’ stories of sexual abuse are horrific, I would like to point out that there are SO MANY other bizarre and abusive practices almost EXCLUSIVE to independent fundamental baptists that would have exposed them for the tyrannical liars that they are.
“Today, cults tend to follow a living leader who promotes new and occult (strange and mysterious) doctrines and practices. Most leaders demand that members live apart from everyday society in groups clled communes. Leaders claim they possess exclusive religious truth, and they command absolute obedience and allegiance from members.”
I was horrified and felt very sad and helpless for the children caught up in this demonic cult. They clearly are mentilly imbalanced and are sociopaths. They express their feelings with violence towards the least able to defend themselves, babies, small children, juveliles and their wives. WHY DO THESE WOMEN MARRY THESE MEN. They are mentally abused themselves or think its normal. This has got to stop. Put these big brave god touting men in prison and see how they get along. I bet not too well. That whole cult needs to be broken up. By the way, the “Bible” according to them, was written and added to by former Bible Belt people. People whose rage is from within themselves because they have no education nor a way to make a living without preying on others. It is shamful and a disgrace to the whole of the USA.
Hi Michelle – Dead on observations, the individual IFB church does take on the personality and convictions of the Pastor.
Jesus cares about what is on the inside way more than he cares about what is on the outside. In their mixed-up minds and in their desperate desire to be “seperated” these pastors have arbitrarily decided what that is supposed to look like and by golly, I’m the pastor, listen to me. Hey speaking of Jesus I’m starting to notice that alot of these IFB’s don’t seem to actually preach about Jesus, I mean open up the gospels and expositorily preach what Jesus taught and preached, kinda odd. They want to preach some OT about God’s judgement or something else, but seldom Jesus.
IFB pastors consistently twist scriptures to fit their agenda, it’s called proof-texting. One of the verses they constantly do this with, to keep folks sitting in the pews, is the old “Forsake not the assembling of yourselves together” IFB pastors have done so much damage to this verse, it is pathetic, and I have never heard one IFB pastor teach the proper meaning of this verse, and it certainly doesn’t mean be at the church every time the door’s open.
I don't have much to say about this issue except to give my story of how I came to realize this deception from the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church.
The IFB are notorious for claiming the importance of attending a "Bible Believing, Bible Preaching" church. The implication, of course, is that you will be attending a "Bible Believing, bible Preaching" church ONLY if you attend an IFB church. It was never overtly stated, but implied that if you didn't attend an IFB church then you weren't attending a "Bible Believing, Bible Preaching" church.
They never used scripture to defend this, just the idea that only the IFB truly believe and teach the Bible. I remember during my final year as an IFB discussing this with a trusted friend who had already come out of the IFB. We were discussing the differences among our churches and I had mentioned the importance of attending a "Bible believing, Bible preaching" church.
Her response was simple, but remarkably profound for me and began the change in my thinking that was so desperately needed. She simply said: "Do you really think that I don't believe the Bible?" That simple question was enough to get me thinking about this subtle, but extremely manipulative idea that the IFB holds the patent on truth, that somehow only they truly believe the Bible. Honestly I had never thought about it before. I just accepted that the IFB was the ONLY source of truth. I was truly brainwashed into thinking this lie.
This is directly tied to the IFB's incessant insistence that the KJV is the only version that is truly God's word. The idea is that other churches/denominations don't use the KJV therefore they aren't preaching or teaching the truth.
This deception is directly tied to the idea that one must go to church as well and that that church should be an IFB church otherwise you aren't really getting Biblical truth. I plan to talk about church attendance in a future post.
I wish all who read this and have been fed the lie that the IFB is the only source of Biblical truth and that if you don't attend an IFB then you aren't really hearing the truth to reconsider. You will be - or perhaps have been - told that if you don't attend an IFB church that you aren't really a "Bible Believing" Christian. This is a lie and a deception. Because of the subtle nature in which the IFB promotes this idea, this deception is very abusive and dangerous. Be aware of it and I encourage you to questions your pastor should he ever mention this idea to you.
I attended a KJV-only independent fundamental baptist church for 2 years. A lot of zeal for door-to-door and tract evangelism, but kinda cold and intolerant of other evangelical and Reformed Christian groups. When I came to believe in the doctrines of grace (like the Calvinist Baptist Charles Spurgeon), my pastor asked, “how did you get into that mess?” I felt I was in good company with Jonathan Edwards, George Whitfield, John Bunyan, John Eliot, William Carey, Adoniram Judson. Many of these fundamental baptists tell people to say the sinner’s prayer and equate that with salvation, as though the sinner’s prayer is magical. One time the pastor boasted that over 200 people “made a decision,” after the easter play, but only a couple returned. The pastor devoted a whole sermon on dancing and why it’s wrong…ridiculous
I submit, as do hundreds of others here that there is something very wrong with the IFB “movement” as you call it. I was in my last IFB church for about 20 years, was a faithful, tithing member and wasn’t as much as allowed to take up the offering. Why? Good question, I’m assuming it was either because I didn’t wear a tie, or that I was divorced (the IFB’s unpardonable sin)
Let’s see how fundy/legalistic you really are.
1) Do you teach OT mandatory tithing? or NT graceful giving as each man purposeth in his heart so let him give.
2) Are women welcomed wearing slacks in your services?
3) Are the preacher’s personal convictions taught as standards to be followed in the church?
4) Are all types of christian music allowed and promoted in the church services.
5) Are deacons and ushers required to wear ties?
6) Are people of color welcomed?
7) Are folks in mixed marriages welcome?
My legalism definition is alittle more detailed:
1) Distorting the gospel by adding conditions to free grace: Acts 15:1, 7-11; Galatians 1:6-7, 2:11-16, 4:8-11, Galatians 5:2-4, Col 2:16-17
2) Substituting man-made regulations for the Word of God: Matthew 15:1-3
3) Majoring on the minors and neglecting the more important issue: Luke 11:42
4) Overconcern with the externals while disregarding matters of the heart: Matthew 23:27
5) regarding with contempt or judging a brother based on matters of personal conviction: Romans 14:1-5
6) Trusting in ourselves that we are righteous based on religious performance: Luke 18:9-14
7) Hypocrisy, the leaven of the Pharisees: Luke 11:53 -12:1
The Independent fundamental baptist movement is decreasing. It requires a charismatic leader to keep it going. Many of those leaders are much more elderly now. I used to be involved in an IFB church but left due to its mind control and preaching a false gospel of say a prayer with me and you’re saved. Many of the characteristics of IFB churches are characteristic of cult!
Your experience with the IFB is not much different than mine. Thankfully, I had been taught good doctrine before I attended an IFB church.
I think the IFB system is very insidious because they actually believe correctly on most Bible doctrines. Satan doesn’t create his own system of religion, he always twists the true system. I think the reason why the IFB is so dangerous, is because you have a false system of religion functioning like the true one. I mean, from a distance, it is difficult to see the difference between the genuine and the fake. It is not until you get close up that the differences become apparent.
Often times, I think that Legalism is simply trying to live the Christian life in the power of the flesh. An unsaved person can try to live the Christian life in an outward sort of way and look pretty good doing it. The legalist, however, will always be exposed at some critical point when true spiritual energy is demanded.
I am still amazed, and even confounded to this day that the kind of churches mentioned here continue to function as though God were smiling on them. One Scripture that comes to mind is ” if the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness”. I can hardly think of a worse place to be in than thinking I am pleasing God and about His business , but never really knowing Him at all. May we truly know Him.
…and then there are the IFB churches…just when you think you’ve heard and seen it all regarding christians out of control, running amok in the name of the Christ, you find out about the unbelievable behavior of some of these IFB church members and particularly their pastors and male members. What a travesty! What a depraved lot of sinners! The simple fact that such wolves in sheep’s clothing execute such nefarious deeds confirms not just the presence of evil in this world but that Satan is alive and well. Blot them out, this stain on mankind. They want OT judgement/justice? I say give it to these pastors and their henchman congregants. And the wives and mothers that condone such idiocy. Don’t look to man for the solution; look to the purity of Jesus, the Son of God.
20/20 made me sick to my stomach. IFB is nothng short of a cult, where perverts belong…a bunch of very sick and twisted people hiding behind a so called religion. You will never convenience me that sexual/physical/emotional/spiritual abuse is right. Shame on you animals….
Can’t sleep after seeing the 20/20 piece tonight. It was very upsetting & yet I’m glad to see it come to light. My Grandfather was an IFB pastor. He & my Grandmother are both dead now but all of the 7 kids (my Dad included) were raised in the church. My Dad was the only one who didn’t become a pastor (or marry one). I remember my Dad & Mom telling us kids a story about how they spanked one of us when we were just a few months old over & over until we finally fell asleep (probably passed out). My Dad said it was because they could tell it was an “angry cry” & that they had to spank that “strong will- full disobedience” out of us. I’d never heard anyone else ever say anything like that until tonight. My sister & I were sexually abused by my Dad from about age 8 until high school. I really relate to what Steve says. I am absolutely a believer in Christ. I consider myself a Christian & can’t imagine how I would have survived without my Faith. And yet it makes me absolutely sick that my Dad used his position as a Deacon to manipulate. I believed what he was doing was my fault because he talked so much about God & could quote scripture. He was involved in the church. I felt it must be me. I got counseling as an adult & got help. Unfortunately my sister didn’t find peace anywhere & committed suicide 4 years ago. I feel that not only my Dad but a lot of people at IFB at to blame.
Check out Pensacola Christian College. I believe it is IFB. The people who are running it seem to be the most unchristian people. They intimidate their employees. They out and out lie to get what they want. They used straw buyers posing as young poor couples to rip off people to get their houses. They want to create a closed off compound. Men and women have to use different doors to enter buildings. Men had to go through spot checks to insure their hair is not too long and they have appropriate dress. They basically drag everyone into hall and run measurements. They supposedly have laxed some rules probably because their enrolment is down. They once made all of their students vote in Florida. No one could use the absentee ballots that many had already. They had to vote with the choices picked by school. precinct normally had no more than a 100. PCC ran all 4000+ through the precinct. I was in line for 7 hours listening to them. For being in college they pretty much new nothing about real life. They got away with it with no punishment.
My sister met a “born again” friend in college and since then began her drastic personal transformation from the fun-loving, athletic, sweet sister, to an all-encompassing Jesus-endoctrinated servant to her husband. I feel like I lost my sister that I knew and loved. She moved to Alaska with her “in hopes to become a pastor” husband 20 years ago and had several children. When I first met her husband, I remember not feeling that he was truly genuine and never trusted him. He was very extreme with his beliefs about the world, the limiting roles of men and women, and always had a “Jesus” reply to ANYTHING you may have said….I always felt (and still do)judged by him. But because he tried to be so sweet and charming to people, my parents and others thought he was just such a great guy…a great christian guy for their daughter. WELL!….as the years went by, my parents (and the rest of us) increasingly learned how extremely conservative and distant they had become as they segregated from the family and anyone who wasn’t fundamentally christian, like them. He is very controlling, authoritarian and according to family members who have seen him preach, uses a strict KJV yelling style that is rightous and unyeilding!
My sister and her daughters ONLY wear long conservative dresses and headpeices. The girls are not allowed to attend college and because they won’t get SS#’s for the kids, my dad’s hope to set up college funds for all of them was fruitless. They beleive the husband makes the final decisions and my sister doesn’t challenge him. They forbid dancing, any modern or rock music, alcohol use and don’t have a tv or radio. They shelter their kids from the REAL world and their extended family. I havent seen them in 5 years and before then it was 5 years. I don’t even know my neices and nephews and this point as my attempts to email my older nephew (to keep a connection) were suddenly stopped. Her husband twice reemed me out via email because I forwarded a link (to my sister)on gay marriage and another about the importance of “Acceptance” of diversity in order to create a healthier world. His responses were soooo harsh, judgemental and self-rightous that any christian message he was “trying” to send me was lost. Also, they never even acknowledged my wedding a few years ago… except for telling me that I should not marry my husband because he was divorced. I felt so hurt.
My parents often gave them money (to help them out with raising a family) but looking back on it, they never used that money to come visit them for years and my parents sadly hardly know those grandchildren…and my parents have only been kind and generous to them (But Catholic). Sadly, my dad suddenly passed away right after a family reunion that my sister in Alaska didn’t attend (despite not seeing my parents in 5 years! Yet they never complained about all the money they would accept from them!
I could go on with tons more concerns but I think you’ve got the picture. To me, this type of extreme “christian” thinking is full of HATRED, INTOLERANCE, IGNORANCE and OPPRESSION which fuels the opposite of what Jesus was all about, in my opinion. I worry for my sister. This is an mentally abusive situation, at the very least….in other words, CULTLIKE!
Friday, April 22, 2011
Tuesday, April 12, 2011
EVIDENCE OF EXTREME MANIPULATION AND INDOCTRINATION!!!
'BY THEIR ACTIONS YE SHALL KNOW THEM'
EXCERPT FROM:
http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/hyles-j.htm
I am finding the battle with the disciples of Jack Hyles a threat to my health. I have been threatened with physical attack, hints of death, entrapped in "private" email exchanges which were later posted to large mailing lists, lied about on boards, and threatened with law suits. This has not been from the Hyles family-- It has come from his disciples.
No one in Christendom, nor in witchcraft, nor the sodomites, have sent me more filthy and hateful mail than the Hyles people. They are bullies with no restraint. Their level of hate is beyond measure. In fact, I have lost my confidence in the Baptist concept. The lust for porn, power, and pesos by Baptist preachers, by and large, is beyond anything I have seen in the rest of Christendom. And, I think that is not overstatement. I have lived in the midst of Anglicans, Maryknoll Fathers, Jesuits, Pentecostals, Holiness, Methodists, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Dutch Reformed, Lutherans, Nazarenes, Independents, Armenians, Orthodox, Mennonites, Amish, and others I cannot recall now. I have NEVER seen anything as hate driven, and as blind in guruism, as the Hyles club.
Even Benny Hinn, Paul Crouch, and the Pope will happily take your gift, pat you on the head, and walk off content. The average Fundamental Baptist preacher pockets your gift, and then he takes control of your home, your kids, your wife, your procreation choices, your time, your clothing choices, your loyalty, and your mind.
CAUTION: Not all Fundamental Baptist pastors are such beasts, but you need to know that you cannot just drift along without examining all things. Thank God for you who have caught on and gotten right. Virtually ALL Hyles men are suspect and should be avoided. If you love your wife, and your daughter's virginity, you will not go near a Hyles church.
Furthermore; all Baptists, no matter how sound they me be perceived, are on their way to the Hyles mind. I believe there is a devil investment in the Baptist movement, similar to the demonic invasion of the Methodist Church in about the 1950s, which will destroy virtually all Baptist churches eventually.
SALIENT COMMENTS TAKEN FROM TESTIMONIALS OF FORMER HYLES FUNDAMENTALISTS TAKEN FROM:
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/hyles/testim.htm
FROM A FUNDAMENTALIST PASTOR:
Jack Hyles is the "Elijah" of this generation, and not to be questioned, criticized or spoken ill of;
God only is working through First Baptist and that church is needed if revival is going to take place in America;
Jack Hyles is personally responsible for my salvation (no kidding, he claims if Jack were not around, no Americans today would be saved -- he said I needed to "thank" Hyles for my salvation);
All churches in America have been touched by Jack Hyles;
Jack Hyles has "led" more people to the Lord than anyone; therefore; he is not be questioned;
Hyles words are final authority (he admitted that he doesn’t compare Hyles teachings to scripture, as this would be sin).
FROM AN HAC DEACON:
I could tell many stories, but here are the things that made me, after a year down at HAC, not want to be a part of that movement [any longer]:
1. The demands and hours of service were absolutely crazy. The real "spiritual" students were praised for giving their entire lives for ridiculous schedules. Some were often physically ill because of the demands. Where was family life? No wonder so many were falling into immorality. I must note that when I was there, I felt safe and never saw outward signs of immorality or felt Dr. Hyles said lewd things. I guess I was involved when there was still enough Godly influence on the college staff; I don't know.
2. They acted as though they were the only ones with truth. My church back home where I was saved was "not separated enough." That really put a big red flag in my mind.
3. Dr. Hyles would allow us as female students to sit on his car hood while he drove off slowly, after a girl's meeting with "Daddy Hyles," screaming, "We love you preacher!" like he was some rock star with groupies!!! He would throw down 10- and 20-dollar bills from the cafeteria balcony at screaming girls. He would allow the girls to pat his back and "touch his garments" so to speak, when he would go to the cafeteria after a girl's meeting to have our free pizza. When I was in it, I thought it was perfectly normal. It took some years to see the inappropriateness of this "hero worship." But at the time it really met "needs" for love, excitement, fun, and significance.
4. One of my roommates, after a Sunday night service, got into the "preacher boys line" outside of Dr. Hyles' office to ask a question. She was not aware she was not to be in THAT line. Well, according to her, Dr. Hyles screamed at her in front of everyone and told her off for being in the wrong line. She related this story, still shaken and in tears in our dorm. We were kind of in shock, and calmed her down by saying, "he's tired, I'm sure he didn't mean it". That was the other red flag in my mind.
FROM ANOTHER HAC DEACON:
" As long as you agree with him and don't buck what he has to say -- you're okay. Members are shunned if they disagree.
Some issues:
1. Monies (thousands of dollars) are not reported to any of the members. These monies are spent on non-needed things.
2. Several buddies (of the pastor) are employed by the church. .... without voting upon them or without knowledge of members.
3. Leadership (deacons) has no say so in any matters.
4. There is no accountability.
5. Members say that he has a cult. -- I forgot to mention ... when he came to our church three years ago from another state, he brought along three families of followers (non-family members.) These families sit near the pulpit ... like they are protecting him.
6. He brought in a child-molester (from out of state) to head our media ministry. He knew of this man's past, but failed to tell anyone at the church, [yet] we have many children in our services. I stumbled on this information.
I could go on and on. ... I still have many members that call and they are very upset with what he is still doing there at the church, but they can't [seem to] leave.
A FEMALE HAC STUDENT:
I remember some of the meetings that the college girls would have with "The Preacher" (Dr. Hyles). If anyone would have walked into the room, they would have thought that all these college age girls were waiting for Elvis to return. We were taught to actually worship him and treat him as an idol. There was a song that we would sing to him to make him come out to the stage:
"We love you preacher, oh yes we do, we don't love anyone as much as you. If you're not with us, we're blue, Oh Preacher we love you"!
He would not come out until the girls were in a frenzy. What happened to only preaching Christ and him crucified? Even at the time, these meetings made me very uncomfortable. They seemed to be very sexual in nature. He would speak to us as if we were his girls that he was trying to court or swoon. Being a mother today, I would NEVER allow my daughter to attend these meetings. Hyles' Church and college have hurt many people. Many of the young pastors that have looked up to him (like the one that I spoke of) carry on his legacy of man-worship. I feel mostly for the women who suffer the degrading remarks and humiliation that comes from their beliefs.
A BODY GUARD OF JACK HYLES (WHY WOULD HE NEED A BODY GUARD IN THE FIRST PLACE??)
I was one of Jack Hyles' personal body guards from 1978-83. If you only knew the actual man. I met with him personally and saw his megalomania and personal greed. I have talked with many of his personal staff and found their stories to be reputable when proclaiming his escapades and sexually perverted tendencies. There was one staff member at Hyles Anderson College, a Bill McFadden, who had sex with a student in the chapel tunnel; when it was reported, the incident was swept under the rug and dismissed. Jack was not going to let this ruin his monarchy. Jack was more like Jimmy Swaggart or James Bakker than a man of God
A MAN GIVEN THE SOUL WINNER OF THE YEAR AWARD:
Jack Hyles would say and do anything to validate his ministry and his massive ego. Numbers were ALL that mattered to him. I have seen buses full of black children who, while not being allowed in the bus ministry, were driven down the alley behind the church, told to repeat a prayer, and counted as "souls won on church property" during big days. It was a disgraceful practice!
In all my years in Hyles' church I was NEVER able to find ONE person whom Jack Hyles personally led to the Lord, even in his own fraudulent way. He was big on sending others, but he himself NEVER went!
Thank you for reminding folks what a fraud this entire ministry was and is. His son-in-law now runs the show. He is a man who is thoroughly compromised by his detailed knowledge of everything that went on there for twenty years -- the moral degeneracy of Dave Hyles, the child molestations, the rampant affairs, divorces, debauchery and adultery, the lust and fornication on the part of so many staff members, the cultishness, the siege mentality, the twisted doctrine, the arranged marriages, and so much more. I have seen it all firsthand.
A SON OF AN HAC PASTOR:
My dad would follow the Hyles handbook on child raising, and was very abusive. When he would take me in the room to spank me, he would have me remove my pants and he would turn out the light, it was dark outside, and he would use his belt and he would not care where it hit. Many times I went to school the next day with bleeding welts on my back and legs and would have a black eye from where the belt hit me in the face. There were times when I was sent to school without food and I would beg for food from my friends. Once at the school, my first grade teacher took my lunch away from me and threw it in the garbage for talking in class. I had already gone two days without food and was so eagerly wanting that lunch that after school I went to the dumpster and tore open the garbage bags until I found my lunch. Another time my Dad took me into a field and made me run, and if he caught me he would beat me until I was bleeding. Needles to say, being only eight years old, he caught me.
THE NUMBERS GAME:
I am a Hyles-Anderson grad, and everything you said is right on the mark. Some of us truly tried to present the Gospel clearly, but we had nowhere near the numbers the "big boys" did. If the Hyles and Grays and Neals and all the others who are having "thousands saved," presented salvation as a complete change of life, you know what the results would be. When I sat in the auditorium in Hammond for seven years (2 degrees), I hardly ever saw anyone coming regularly who looked [or acted] like they were newly saved people. Oh, they might come once, but that was it. Let's face it, if they were having 15-20,000 baptisms a year (that wasn't so either, but that's another story) and only 1% were real and began attending, they would have needed to add seating for another 500 people every 3 years or so. It never happened. What a fantasy. This all panders to pride and arrogance, which is the driving force behind all these ministries. I could go on and so could you, but for what ... the deluded will never be convinced anyway. I think I would rather stand before God with a few truly saved from my labors than a multitude pointing the finger at me for confirming them in their unbelief.
THE DEEP INDOCTRINATION:
My father was a Hyles follower for years. My sister went to HAC where she met her husband. Our family was so steeped in his philosophy we would not make a move without consulting Mr. Hyles' many books and articles. My father thought that he [Hyles] was doing right, but I could tell that he struggled with his [Hyles] teachings for years. We were deep in the cult, though, and there was no turning back. Hyles ruined our family ... I have struggled for years myself hating Hyles for his sick teachings and his ability to sway so many people in his direction. I realize now that the man may not have been saved himself. My father was a good man who loved the Lord with all his heart. His only mistake was to listen to Hyles and believe that he was a man of God when he was not. My father passed away in 1997, no longer believing Hyles was the great man he once thought, yet not quite ready to denounce his teaching or to believe that he was as bad as he really was. But now in heaven, he knows the truth, and the truth is the mighty Dr. Jack Hyles is not there
FORMER HAC STUDENT:
I attended multiple youth conferences while I was a teenager (1976-1979), and attended Hyles-Anderson college for one year. I left after that year to pursue education at a different school. I am so thankful! Others were deeply scarred. I have never, ever spoken to anyone but my parents, my wife, and my brother-in -aw about why I left. But here it is: (1) Dave Hyles telling dirty jokes to students while he played basketball with us. I could not reconcile this close personal image with his public image; (2) Being actively discouraged from reading important books by various great Christian leaders because I had not yet completed every book by Jack Hyles and John R. Rice; (3) Joe Combs' meetings with ministerial students about how to keep a wife, which included some rather sick and debauched advice. I'm sure equivalent advice would have been available around the water cooler at work or in a pornographic magazine. It simply couldn't be found in Scripture; (4) The idolatry of students toward Dr. Hyles himself, which seemed only to be encouraged by every structure, event, and even by every sermon he preached.
A SHORT LIST OF JACK HYLES 'PREACHER BOYS' AND THEIR 'FRUITS' FROM CONSERVATIVEBABYLON.COM
• William A. “Andy” Beith
Claims to fame: Former Hyles-Anderson student and 27-year-old principal of Liberty Baptist Academy (Lake Station, Indiana); kidnapper; child rapist
Moral apex: Had sex, on multiple occasions, with one of his students, an 11-year-old girl, then took off with her across the country, landing in Las Vegas, where Beith planned to “set up housekeeping,” marry, and have babies with the child.
Busted: In Las Vegas, where he pleaded guilty in 2001 to crossing state lines with the intent of having sex with a minor. Local and state charges were dropped so that federal prosecutors could take care of the case. (He did, after all, transport her across eleven statelines.)
• William S. Beith
Claims to fame: Hyles-Anderson graduate; founder, Liberty Baptist Church (Lake Station, Indiana); founder and principal, Liberty Baptist Academy; down-low ‘mo; really bad father
Moral apex: Gosh, it’s hard to choose just one.
There’s the time he was forced to resign (in 1998) from Liberty Baptist Academy after his arrest for public indecency (he solicited an undercover cop — a dude — for oral sex). But he got out of that on a plea bargain, agreeing to probation and counseling.
• Joe Combs
Claims to fame: He: ex-pastor, Emmanuel Baptist Church (Bristol, Tennessee); ex-head, Hyles-Anderson College Bible Department; child rapist and batterer; She: child abuser
In May, 2000, Judge Jerry Beck sentenced Joe Combs to a total of 114 years in prison, and Evangeline Combs to 65 years.
• Mark Foeller
Claim to fame: Yet another in a long line of Hyles-Anderson College graduates (who also served as deacon and volunteer bus driver for Jack Hyles‘ First Baptist Church) accused of molesting children
The lowdown:
Mark Foeller, the volunteer bus driver, has four counts of first- and second-degree child sexual assault pending against him in Washtenaw County, [Washtenaw County Prosecutor Brian Mackie] said. Seven additional charges were brought against Foeller last week in neighboring Jackson County.
• Russell Hirner
Claims to fame: Former principal of Longview Baptist Academy (”perhaps the number one church/school in the Jack Hyles orbit”); pedophile
Moral apex: Molested at least seven young girls, all in his own Kilgore, Texas, home, while serving as principal of one of the two Christian schools operated by Longview Baptist Temple.
• Dave Hyles
Jack Hyles son...look him up! Also lots of sexual improprieties!
• Timothy Lee Leonard
Claims to fame: Former associate pastor of North Sharon Baptist Church (near Ann Arbor, MI); honored alumnus of (surprise!) Hyles Anderson College; accused child molester
Moral apex: Charged, in 1992, with 11 counts of first- and second-degree sexual assault on children.
The company he kept: Leonard was accused of child molestation right around the same time as North Sharon Baptist deacon (and — surprise! — fellow Hyles-Anderson grad) Mark Foeller was accused of the same thing.
• Kerry Martin
Claims to fame: Pastor of Temecula Valley Baptist Church (California); child rapist; and — yes! — another Hyles Anderson graduate
Moral apex: Raped a 14-year-old girl in his office at the Temecula Valley (CA) Baptist Church, in July, 1997.
What’s worse: That 14-year-old was (probably) not the only victim.
...MORE TO COME
JUST DO A GOOGLE SEARCH FOR 'IFB CULT SURVIVORS' OR 'HYLES CULT' AND YOU WILL FIND ALOT OF INFO!!
EXCERPT FROM:
http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/hyles-j.htm
I am finding the battle with the disciples of Jack Hyles a threat to my health. I have been threatened with physical attack, hints of death, entrapped in "private" email exchanges which were later posted to large mailing lists, lied about on boards, and threatened with law suits. This has not been from the Hyles family-- It has come from his disciples.
No one in Christendom, nor in witchcraft, nor the sodomites, have sent me more filthy and hateful mail than the Hyles people. They are bullies with no restraint. Their level of hate is beyond measure. In fact, I have lost my confidence in the Baptist concept. The lust for porn, power, and pesos by Baptist preachers, by and large, is beyond anything I have seen in the rest of Christendom. And, I think that is not overstatement. I have lived in the midst of Anglicans, Maryknoll Fathers, Jesuits, Pentecostals, Holiness, Methodists, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Dutch Reformed, Lutherans, Nazarenes, Independents, Armenians, Orthodox, Mennonites, Amish, and others I cannot recall now. I have NEVER seen anything as hate driven, and as blind in guruism, as the Hyles club.
Even Benny Hinn, Paul Crouch, and the Pope will happily take your gift, pat you on the head, and walk off content. The average Fundamental Baptist preacher pockets your gift, and then he takes control of your home, your kids, your wife, your procreation choices, your time, your clothing choices, your loyalty, and your mind.
CAUTION: Not all Fundamental Baptist pastors are such beasts, but you need to know that you cannot just drift along without examining all things. Thank God for you who have caught on and gotten right. Virtually ALL Hyles men are suspect and should be avoided. If you love your wife, and your daughter's virginity, you will not go near a Hyles church.
Furthermore; all Baptists, no matter how sound they me be perceived, are on their way to the Hyles mind. I believe there is a devil investment in the Baptist movement, similar to the demonic invasion of the Methodist Church in about the 1950s, which will destroy virtually all Baptist churches eventually.
SALIENT COMMENTS TAKEN FROM TESTIMONIALS OF FORMER HYLES FUNDAMENTALISTS TAKEN FROM:
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/hyles/testim.htm
FROM A FUNDAMENTALIST PASTOR:
Jack Hyles is the "Elijah" of this generation, and not to be questioned, criticized or spoken ill of;
God only is working through First Baptist and that church is needed if revival is going to take place in America;
Jack Hyles is personally responsible for my salvation (no kidding, he claims if Jack were not around, no Americans today would be saved -- he said I needed to "thank" Hyles for my salvation);
All churches in America have been touched by Jack Hyles;
Jack Hyles has "led" more people to the Lord than anyone; therefore; he is not be questioned;
Hyles words are final authority (he admitted that he doesn’t compare Hyles teachings to scripture, as this would be sin).
FROM AN HAC DEACON:
I could tell many stories, but here are the things that made me, after a year down at HAC, not want to be a part of that movement [any longer]:
1. The demands and hours of service were absolutely crazy. The real "spiritual" students were praised for giving their entire lives for ridiculous schedules. Some were often physically ill because of the demands. Where was family life? No wonder so many were falling into immorality. I must note that when I was there, I felt safe and never saw outward signs of immorality or felt Dr. Hyles said lewd things. I guess I was involved when there was still enough Godly influence on the college staff; I don't know.
2. They acted as though they were the only ones with truth. My church back home where I was saved was "not separated enough." That really put a big red flag in my mind.
3. Dr. Hyles would allow us as female students to sit on his car hood while he drove off slowly, after a girl's meeting with "Daddy Hyles," screaming, "We love you preacher!" like he was some rock star with groupies!!! He would throw down 10- and 20-dollar bills from the cafeteria balcony at screaming girls. He would allow the girls to pat his back and "touch his garments" so to speak, when he would go to the cafeteria after a girl's meeting to have our free pizza. When I was in it, I thought it was perfectly normal. It took some years to see the inappropriateness of this "hero worship." But at the time it really met "needs" for love, excitement, fun, and significance.
4. One of my roommates, after a Sunday night service, got into the "preacher boys line" outside of Dr. Hyles' office to ask a question. She was not aware she was not to be in THAT line. Well, according to her, Dr. Hyles screamed at her in front of everyone and told her off for being in the wrong line. She related this story, still shaken and in tears in our dorm. We were kind of in shock, and calmed her down by saying, "he's tired, I'm sure he didn't mean it". That was the other red flag in my mind.
FROM ANOTHER HAC DEACON:
" As long as you agree with him and don't buck what he has to say -- you're okay. Members are shunned if they disagree.
Some issues:
1. Monies (thousands of dollars) are not reported to any of the members. These monies are spent on non-needed things.
2. Several buddies (of the pastor) are employed by the church. .... without voting upon them or without knowledge of members.
3. Leadership (deacons) has no say so in any matters.
4. There is no accountability.
5. Members say that he has a cult. -- I forgot to mention ... when he came to our church three years ago from another state, he brought along three families of followers (non-family members.) These families sit near the pulpit ... like they are protecting him.
6. He brought in a child-molester (from out of state) to head our media ministry. He knew of this man's past, but failed to tell anyone at the church, [yet] we have many children in our services. I stumbled on this information.
I could go on and on. ... I still have many members that call and they are very upset with what he is still doing there at the church, but they can't [seem to] leave.
A FEMALE HAC STUDENT:
I remember some of the meetings that the college girls would have with "The Preacher" (Dr. Hyles). If anyone would have walked into the room, they would have thought that all these college age girls were waiting for Elvis to return. We were taught to actually worship him and treat him as an idol. There was a song that we would sing to him to make him come out to the stage:
"We love you preacher, oh yes we do, we don't love anyone as much as you. If you're not with us, we're blue, Oh Preacher we love you"!
He would not come out until the girls were in a frenzy. What happened to only preaching Christ and him crucified? Even at the time, these meetings made me very uncomfortable. They seemed to be very sexual in nature. He would speak to us as if we were his girls that he was trying to court or swoon. Being a mother today, I would NEVER allow my daughter to attend these meetings. Hyles' Church and college have hurt many people. Many of the young pastors that have looked up to him (like the one that I spoke of) carry on his legacy of man-worship. I feel mostly for the women who suffer the degrading remarks and humiliation that comes from their beliefs.
A BODY GUARD OF JACK HYLES (WHY WOULD HE NEED A BODY GUARD IN THE FIRST PLACE??)
I was one of Jack Hyles' personal body guards from 1978-83. If you only knew the actual man. I met with him personally and saw his megalomania and personal greed. I have talked with many of his personal staff and found their stories to be reputable when proclaiming his escapades and sexually perverted tendencies. There was one staff member at Hyles Anderson College, a Bill McFadden, who had sex with a student in the chapel tunnel; when it was reported, the incident was swept under the rug and dismissed. Jack was not going to let this ruin his monarchy. Jack was more like Jimmy Swaggart or James Bakker than a man of God
A MAN GIVEN THE SOUL WINNER OF THE YEAR AWARD:
Jack Hyles would say and do anything to validate his ministry and his massive ego. Numbers were ALL that mattered to him. I have seen buses full of black children who, while not being allowed in the bus ministry, were driven down the alley behind the church, told to repeat a prayer, and counted as "souls won on church property" during big days. It was a disgraceful practice!
In all my years in Hyles' church I was NEVER able to find ONE person whom Jack Hyles personally led to the Lord, even in his own fraudulent way. He was big on sending others, but he himself NEVER went!
Thank you for reminding folks what a fraud this entire ministry was and is. His son-in-law now runs the show. He is a man who is thoroughly compromised by his detailed knowledge of everything that went on there for twenty years -- the moral degeneracy of Dave Hyles, the child molestations, the rampant affairs, divorces, debauchery and adultery, the lust and fornication on the part of so many staff members, the cultishness, the siege mentality, the twisted doctrine, the arranged marriages, and so much more. I have seen it all firsthand.
A SON OF AN HAC PASTOR:
My dad would follow the Hyles handbook on child raising, and was very abusive. When he would take me in the room to spank me, he would have me remove my pants and he would turn out the light, it was dark outside, and he would use his belt and he would not care where it hit. Many times I went to school the next day with bleeding welts on my back and legs and would have a black eye from where the belt hit me in the face. There were times when I was sent to school without food and I would beg for food from my friends. Once at the school, my first grade teacher took my lunch away from me and threw it in the garbage for talking in class. I had already gone two days without food and was so eagerly wanting that lunch that after school I went to the dumpster and tore open the garbage bags until I found my lunch. Another time my Dad took me into a field and made me run, and if he caught me he would beat me until I was bleeding. Needles to say, being only eight years old, he caught me.
THE NUMBERS GAME:
I am a Hyles-Anderson grad, and everything you said is right on the mark. Some of us truly tried to present the Gospel clearly, but we had nowhere near the numbers the "big boys" did. If the Hyles and Grays and Neals and all the others who are having "thousands saved," presented salvation as a complete change of life, you know what the results would be. When I sat in the auditorium in Hammond for seven years (2 degrees), I hardly ever saw anyone coming regularly who looked [or acted] like they were newly saved people. Oh, they might come once, but that was it. Let's face it, if they were having 15-20,000 baptisms a year (that wasn't so either, but that's another story) and only 1% were real and began attending, they would have needed to add seating for another 500 people every 3 years or so. It never happened. What a fantasy. This all panders to pride and arrogance, which is the driving force behind all these ministries. I could go on and so could you, but for what ... the deluded will never be convinced anyway. I think I would rather stand before God with a few truly saved from my labors than a multitude pointing the finger at me for confirming them in their unbelief.
THE DEEP INDOCTRINATION:
My father was a Hyles follower for years. My sister went to HAC where she met her husband. Our family was so steeped in his philosophy we would not make a move without consulting Mr. Hyles' many books and articles. My father thought that he [Hyles] was doing right, but I could tell that he struggled with his [Hyles] teachings for years. We were deep in the cult, though, and there was no turning back. Hyles ruined our family ... I have struggled for years myself hating Hyles for his sick teachings and his ability to sway so many people in his direction. I realize now that the man may not have been saved himself. My father was a good man who loved the Lord with all his heart. His only mistake was to listen to Hyles and believe that he was a man of God when he was not. My father passed away in 1997, no longer believing Hyles was the great man he once thought, yet not quite ready to denounce his teaching or to believe that he was as bad as he really was. But now in heaven, he knows the truth, and the truth is the mighty Dr. Jack Hyles is not there
FORMER HAC STUDENT:
I attended multiple youth conferences while I was a teenager (1976-1979), and attended Hyles-Anderson college for one year. I left after that year to pursue education at a different school. I am so thankful! Others were deeply scarred. I have never, ever spoken to anyone but my parents, my wife, and my brother-in -aw about why I left. But here it is: (1) Dave Hyles telling dirty jokes to students while he played basketball with us. I could not reconcile this close personal image with his public image; (2) Being actively discouraged from reading important books by various great Christian leaders because I had not yet completed every book by Jack Hyles and John R. Rice; (3) Joe Combs' meetings with ministerial students about how to keep a wife, which included some rather sick and debauched advice. I'm sure equivalent advice would have been available around the water cooler at work or in a pornographic magazine. It simply couldn't be found in Scripture; (4) The idolatry of students toward Dr. Hyles himself, which seemed only to be encouraged by every structure, event, and even by every sermon he preached.
A SHORT LIST OF JACK HYLES 'PREACHER BOYS' AND THEIR 'FRUITS' FROM CONSERVATIVEBABYLON.COM
• William A. “Andy” Beith
Claims to fame: Former Hyles-Anderson student and 27-year-old principal of Liberty Baptist Academy (Lake Station, Indiana); kidnapper; child rapist
Moral apex: Had sex, on multiple occasions, with one of his students, an 11-year-old girl, then took off with her across the country, landing in Las Vegas, where Beith planned to “set up housekeeping,” marry, and have babies with the child.
Busted: In Las Vegas, where he pleaded guilty in 2001 to crossing state lines with the intent of having sex with a minor. Local and state charges were dropped so that federal prosecutors could take care of the case. (He did, after all, transport her across eleven statelines.)
• William S. Beith
Claims to fame: Hyles-Anderson graduate; founder, Liberty Baptist Church (Lake Station, Indiana); founder and principal, Liberty Baptist Academy; down-low ‘mo; really bad father
Moral apex: Gosh, it’s hard to choose just one.
There’s the time he was forced to resign (in 1998) from Liberty Baptist Academy after his arrest for public indecency (he solicited an undercover cop — a dude — for oral sex). But he got out of that on a plea bargain, agreeing to probation and counseling.
• Joe Combs
Claims to fame: He: ex-pastor, Emmanuel Baptist Church (Bristol, Tennessee); ex-head, Hyles-Anderson College Bible Department; child rapist and batterer; She: child abuser
In May, 2000, Judge Jerry Beck sentenced Joe Combs to a total of 114 years in prison, and Evangeline Combs to 65 years.
• Mark Foeller
Claim to fame: Yet another in a long line of Hyles-Anderson College graduates (who also served as deacon and volunteer bus driver for Jack Hyles‘ First Baptist Church) accused of molesting children
The lowdown:
Mark Foeller, the volunteer bus driver, has four counts of first- and second-degree child sexual assault pending against him in Washtenaw County, [Washtenaw County Prosecutor Brian Mackie] said. Seven additional charges were brought against Foeller last week in neighboring Jackson County.
• Russell Hirner
Claims to fame: Former principal of Longview Baptist Academy (”perhaps the number one church/school in the Jack Hyles orbit”); pedophile
Moral apex: Molested at least seven young girls, all in his own Kilgore, Texas, home, while serving as principal of one of the two Christian schools operated by Longview Baptist Temple.
• Dave Hyles
Jack Hyles son...look him up! Also lots of sexual improprieties!
• Timothy Lee Leonard
Claims to fame: Former associate pastor of North Sharon Baptist Church (near Ann Arbor, MI); honored alumnus of (surprise!) Hyles Anderson College; accused child molester
Moral apex: Charged, in 1992, with 11 counts of first- and second-degree sexual assault on children.
The company he kept: Leonard was accused of child molestation right around the same time as North Sharon Baptist deacon (and — surprise! — fellow Hyles-Anderson grad) Mark Foeller was accused of the same thing.
• Kerry Martin
Claims to fame: Pastor of Temecula Valley Baptist Church (California); child rapist; and — yes! — another Hyles Anderson graduate
Moral apex: Raped a 14-year-old girl in his office at the Temecula Valley (CA) Baptist Church, in July, 1997.
What’s worse: That 14-year-old was (probably) not the only victim.
...MORE TO COME
JUST DO A GOOGLE SEARCH FOR 'IFB CULT SURVIVORS' OR 'HYLES CULT' AND YOU WILL FIND ALOT OF INFO!!
Friday, April 8, 2011
ODDS AND ENDS and Interesting Facts...
Friday, September 10, 2010
Odds and Ends and Interesting Facts...
Dear Friends,
Thank you to those of you who have sent emails of support to us! Even with all the censoring from the Mcardle/Ruckman Camp people are still reading our blogs...REMEMBER TO RELOAD YOUR PAGE!
WE'RE TRANSFERRING OUR BLOGS TO A WORD PRESS PLATFORM WHERE IT WILL BE MUCH HARDER FOR MCARDLE AND FRIENDS TO CENSOR US FROM EXPOSING THE TRUTH.
HERE ARE SOME ODDS AND ENDS FROM OVER THE PAST 9 MONTHS.
**RUCKMAN SAYS HE DRAWS A $200 PAYCHECK A WEEK FROM HIS CHURCH AND THAT HIS WIFE HANDLES THE MONEY AND THAT OUTSIDE OF THAT HE DOESN'T GET ONE DIME FROM HIS BOOKSTORE OR ANY PLACE ELSE...NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH!
**THE BIBLE BELIEVERS BULLETIN OF MARCH SHOWED THAT BRIAN DONOVAN WENT TO MCARDLE'S CHURCH "IGLESIA BAUTISTA HIALEAH' BACK IN MARCH...THAT WAS A LIE, THAT NEVER HAPPENED
**THE DAY I GOT THROWN OUT OF PBI DONOVAN CALLED THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO HARASS ME AND MAKE SURE I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND LET ANYONE KNOW THEY STOLE MY MONEY AND THREW ME OUT THE DOOR
**THE DAY I CALLED BIBLE BAPTIST BOOKSTORE TO TRY TO TALK TO RON FORTE ABOUT BEING THROWN OUT THEY BLOCKED MY PHONE FROM THEIR COMPUTERIZED PHONE SYSTEM...I GET A 'THIS NUMBER IS NOT ACCEPTING CALLS' MESSAGE...THAT'S FOR THEIR 850.477.8812 NUMBER...THEY'RE VERY EXPEDIENT
**NO ONE FROM MY OLD CHURCH -LIGHTHOUSE BAPTIST- TALKS TO ME ANYMORE SINCE I CREATED WWW.SOLASCRIPTURAS.COM...I GUESS THE MINUTE YOU QUESTION THE SYSTEM YOU BECOME AN ENEMY OF GOD...AT LEAST
IN THEIR EYES
**PHIL ROBBERSON FROM VALDIVIA CHILE SAYS SOMEONE BROKE IN AND STOLE HIS COMPUTER EQUIPMENT AND OTHER THINGS...WE WONDER IF IT'S GOD GIVING HIM A TASTE OF HIS OWN MEDICINE OR IF HE'S JUST TRYING TO EXTORT MONEY FROM UNSUSPECTING CHRISTIANS...PHIL ROBBERSON A MEMBER OF MCARDLE'S ILLUSTRIOUS 'VALERA BIBLE SOCIETY' NEVER RETURNED OUR EMAILS REGARDING MCARDLE'S THEFT OF US....SAME WITH ALL THE OTHER VBS MEMBERS...ONLY JORGE GARCIA MCARDLE'S RIGHT HAND MAN CALLED BACK TO CALL ME A FAGGOT...THAT WAS NICE OF HIM
**VINCE LARUE NEVER RETURNED ONE DIME OF ALL THE MONEY WE GAVE HIM TO DEVELOP AN INTERNET STOREFRONT FOR US...BUT HE DID WORK TO CENSOR US FROM WIKIPEDIA, BLOGGER AND PUT US ON THE SPAM LISTS OF AOL, HOTMAIL AND OTHER PLACES...THEN HE CHANGED HIS PHONE NUMBER AND OF COURSE NEVER RETURNED ANY EMAILS...VINCE LARUE WILL MAKE AN EXCEPTIONAL CRIMINAL IN MCARDLE'S ORGANIZATION
**RON SPARKS STILL NEVER RETURNED OUR CALLS (HE HID 5 OF OUR PRINTING PRESSES IN HIS CHURCH FOR MCARDLE) RON SPARKS ASKED TO SPEAK TO MY PASTOR TO TRY TO GET ME EXPELLED FROM MY CHURCH WHILE HE WAS SITTING ON THE STOLEN PRESSES, HIDING THEM FOR MCARDLE AND KNOWING FULL WELL THEY WERE STOLEN...'LET ME TALK TO YOUR PASTOR SON"...SOUNDS PRETTY SPIRITUAL DOESN'T IT?
**DAVID CLOUD FROM WAYOFLIFE.ORG ALSO EMAILED ME BACK ASKING TO BE TAKEN OFF OUR EMAIL LIST AND WANTING TO TALK TO MY PASTOR OVER MY LANGUAGE USED ON THE BLOGS...I GUESS DAVID CLOUD IS STATUS QUO
**OUT OF THE 2000 OR SO PASTORS AND MISSIONARIES WE EMAILED IN LATIN AMERICA WARNING THEM ABOUT MCARDLE AND HIS CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE...ABOUT 50 OF THEM EMAILED US BACK TELLING US WE NEED TO FORGIVE AND NOT TO TAKE A BROTHER TO COURT...WE RESPONDED THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT ONE BROTHER OFFENDING ANOTHER BUT ABOUT A SICK HARDENED PSYCHOPATH THAT IS A CANCER IN THE BODY OF CHRIST AND THAT STEALS FOR A LIVING AND ABOUT A BUNCH OF CRIMINALS THAT RAN A CULT (RUCKMAN'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS).
**RUCKMAN CLAIMS BRIAN DONOVAN'S PHOTOS HAVING DRINKS WITH A WOMAN NOT HIS WIFE AT GENE'S LOUNGE ARE 'TRICK PHOTOGRAPHY'...WHICH ONES RUCKMAN?
**OF ALL PEOPLE FELLOWSHIP TRACT LEAGUE'S BILL BURROWS IS LAUNDERING MONEY FOR THE RUCKMAN CLAN INCLUDING SOME OF OUR MONEY...RUCKMAN'S CLAN SENDS HIM PART OF OUR MONEY AS A 'DONATION' AND THEY SEND BACK SOME PRINTING EQUIPMENT FOR VINCE LARUE 'BACK AS A DONATION'...A DOUBLE IRS TAX WRITE OFF FOR BOTH PARTIES WHILE THEY SWAP STOLEN EQUIPMENT FOR STOLEN MONEY AND BOTH MAKE A HANDSOME PROFIT...FELLOWSHIP TRACT LEAGUE WENT TO A LASER PRINTER THANKS TO THE DONATIONS OF CHRISTIANS AND THEN THEY SOLD THE OLD PRINTING EQUIPMENT, GOT A TAX WRITE OFF AND POCKETED THE MONEY WHILE THE RUCKMAN/MCARDLE CLAN LAUNDER MONEY AND PRINTING PRESSES...NOT A BAD DEAL
**NONE OF THE VALERA BIBLE SOCIETY MEMBERS EVER LOOKED INTO MCARDLE'S CRIME AGAINST US...MARCO PEREZ KEEPS SENDING US NASTY EMAILS...I GUESS HE'S REALLY BITTER...MAYBE HE'S LOST SOME FINANCIAL SUPPORT...WHO KNOWS BUT HE RAGES IN HIS EMAILS, SO MAYBE HE'S LOST SOME FINANCIAL SUPPORT
** MCARDLE KEEPS CLAIMING 'BUSINESS HAS NEVER BEEN BETTER'...I GUESS THE PERSECUTION COMPLEX IF BAPTISTS HAVE HAVE GIVEN MCARDLE MORE MONEY THAN EVERY...HOW IRONIC...THATS LIKE JUDAS ISCARIOT GETTING DONATIONS AFTER BETRAYING THE LORD, BUT I GUESS THAT'S HOW THINGS WORK IN THE BAPTIST WORLD
Odds and Ends and Interesting Facts...
Dear Friends,
Thank you to those of you who have sent emails of support to us! Even with all the censoring from the Mcardle/Ruckman Camp people are still reading our blogs...REMEMBER TO RELOAD YOUR PAGE!
WE'RE TRANSFERRING OUR BLOGS TO A WORD PRESS PLATFORM WHERE IT WILL BE MUCH HARDER FOR MCARDLE AND FRIENDS TO CENSOR US FROM EXPOSING THE TRUTH.
HERE ARE SOME ODDS AND ENDS FROM OVER THE PAST 9 MONTHS.
**RUCKMAN SAYS HE DRAWS A $200 PAYCHECK A WEEK FROM HIS CHURCH AND THAT HIS WIFE HANDLES THE MONEY AND THAT OUTSIDE OF THAT HE DOESN'T GET ONE DIME FROM HIS BOOKSTORE OR ANY PLACE ELSE...NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH!
**THE BIBLE BELIEVERS BULLETIN OF MARCH SHOWED THAT BRIAN DONOVAN WENT TO MCARDLE'S CHURCH "IGLESIA BAUTISTA HIALEAH' BACK IN MARCH...THAT WAS A LIE, THAT NEVER HAPPENED
**THE DAY I GOT THROWN OUT OF PBI DONOVAN CALLED THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO HARASS ME AND MAKE SURE I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND LET ANYONE KNOW THEY STOLE MY MONEY AND THREW ME OUT THE DOOR
**THE DAY I CALLED BIBLE BAPTIST BOOKSTORE TO TRY TO TALK TO RON FORTE ABOUT BEING THROWN OUT THEY BLOCKED MY PHONE FROM THEIR COMPUTERIZED PHONE SYSTEM...I GET A 'THIS NUMBER IS NOT ACCEPTING CALLS' MESSAGE...THAT'S FOR THEIR 850.477.8812 NUMBER...THEY'RE VERY EXPEDIENT
**NO ONE FROM MY OLD CHURCH -LIGHTHOUSE BAPTIST- TALKS TO ME ANYMORE SINCE I CREATED WWW.SOLASCRIPTURAS.COM...I GUESS THE MINUTE YOU QUESTION THE SYSTEM YOU BECOME AN ENEMY OF GOD...AT LEAST
IN THEIR EYES
**PHIL ROBBERSON FROM VALDIVIA CHILE SAYS SOMEONE BROKE IN AND STOLE HIS COMPUTER EQUIPMENT AND OTHER THINGS...WE WONDER IF IT'S GOD GIVING HIM A TASTE OF HIS OWN MEDICINE OR IF HE'S JUST TRYING TO EXTORT MONEY FROM UNSUSPECTING CHRISTIANS...PHIL ROBBERSON A MEMBER OF MCARDLE'S ILLUSTRIOUS 'VALERA BIBLE SOCIETY' NEVER RETURNED OUR EMAILS REGARDING MCARDLE'S THEFT OF US....SAME WITH ALL THE OTHER VBS MEMBERS...ONLY JORGE GARCIA MCARDLE'S RIGHT HAND MAN CALLED BACK TO CALL ME A FAGGOT...THAT WAS NICE OF HIM
**VINCE LARUE NEVER RETURNED ONE DIME OF ALL THE MONEY WE GAVE HIM TO DEVELOP AN INTERNET STOREFRONT FOR US...BUT HE DID WORK TO CENSOR US FROM WIKIPEDIA, BLOGGER AND PUT US ON THE SPAM LISTS OF AOL, HOTMAIL AND OTHER PLACES...THEN HE CHANGED HIS PHONE NUMBER AND OF COURSE NEVER RETURNED ANY EMAILS...VINCE LARUE WILL MAKE AN EXCEPTIONAL CRIMINAL IN MCARDLE'S ORGANIZATION
**RON SPARKS STILL NEVER RETURNED OUR CALLS (HE HID 5 OF OUR PRINTING PRESSES IN HIS CHURCH FOR MCARDLE) RON SPARKS ASKED TO SPEAK TO MY PASTOR TO TRY TO GET ME EXPELLED FROM MY CHURCH WHILE HE WAS SITTING ON THE STOLEN PRESSES, HIDING THEM FOR MCARDLE AND KNOWING FULL WELL THEY WERE STOLEN...'LET ME TALK TO YOUR PASTOR SON"...SOUNDS PRETTY SPIRITUAL DOESN'T IT?
**DAVID CLOUD FROM WAYOFLIFE.ORG ALSO EMAILED ME BACK ASKING TO BE TAKEN OFF OUR EMAIL LIST AND WANTING TO TALK TO MY PASTOR OVER MY LANGUAGE USED ON THE BLOGS...I GUESS DAVID CLOUD IS STATUS QUO
**OUT OF THE 2000 OR SO PASTORS AND MISSIONARIES WE EMAILED IN LATIN AMERICA WARNING THEM ABOUT MCARDLE AND HIS CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE...ABOUT 50 OF THEM EMAILED US BACK TELLING US WE NEED TO FORGIVE AND NOT TO TAKE A BROTHER TO COURT...WE RESPONDED THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT ONE BROTHER OFFENDING ANOTHER BUT ABOUT A SICK HARDENED PSYCHOPATH THAT IS A CANCER IN THE BODY OF CHRIST AND THAT STEALS FOR A LIVING AND ABOUT A BUNCH OF CRIMINALS THAT RAN A CULT (RUCKMAN'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS).
**RUCKMAN CLAIMS BRIAN DONOVAN'S PHOTOS HAVING DRINKS WITH A WOMAN NOT HIS WIFE AT GENE'S LOUNGE ARE 'TRICK PHOTOGRAPHY'...WHICH ONES RUCKMAN?
**OF ALL PEOPLE FELLOWSHIP TRACT LEAGUE'S BILL BURROWS IS LAUNDERING MONEY FOR THE RUCKMAN CLAN INCLUDING SOME OF OUR MONEY...RUCKMAN'S CLAN SENDS HIM PART OF OUR MONEY AS A 'DONATION' AND THEY SEND BACK SOME PRINTING EQUIPMENT FOR VINCE LARUE 'BACK AS A DONATION'...A DOUBLE IRS TAX WRITE OFF FOR BOTH PARTIES WHILE THEY SWAP STOLEN EQUIPMENT FOR STOLEN MONEY AND BOTH MAKE A HANDSOME PROFIT...FELLOWSHIP TRACT LEAGUE WENT TO A LASER PRINTER THANKS TO THE DONATIONS OF CHRISTIANS AND THEN THEY SOLD THE OLD PRINTING EQUIPMENT, GOT A TAX WRITE OFF AND POCKETED THE MONEY WHILE THE RUCKMAN/MCARDLE CLAN LAUNDER MONEY AND PRINTING PRESSES...NOT A BAD DEAL
**NONE OF THE VALERA BIBLE SOCIETY MEMBERS EVER LOOKED INTO MCARDLE'S CRIME AGAINST US...MARCO PEREZ KEEPS SENDING US NASTY EMAILS...I GUESS HE'S REALLY BITTER...MAYBE HE'S LOST SOME FINANCIAL SUPPORT...WHO KNOWS BUT HE RAGES IN HIS EMAILS, SO MAYBE HE'S LOST SOME FINANCIAL SUPPORT
** MCARDLE KEEPS CLAIMING 'BUSINESS HAS NEVER BEEN BETTER'...I GUESS THE PERSECUTION COMPLEX IF BAPTISTS HAVE HAVE GIVEN MCARDLE MORE MONEY THAN EVERY...HOW IRONIC...THATS LIKE JUDAS ISCARIOT GETTING DONATIONS AFTER BETRAYING THE LORD, BUT I GUESS THAT'S HOW THINGS WORK IN THE BAPTIST WORLD
Friday, August 20, 2010
PETER RUCKMAN ANSWERS THE PHONE 6 MONTHS AFTER THE FRAUD!
DEAR FRIENDS AND BRETHREN ACROSS THE US AND LATIN AMERICA,
THIS UPDATE IS BEING EMAILED TO OVER 5000 PASTORS AND MINISTRY LEADERS ACROSS THE US AND LATIN AMERICA.
ON AUGUST 18TH (TWO DAYS AGO) MARKED THE SIX MONTH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DAY WE FOUND OUT MCARDLE WAS GOING
TO STEAL OUR MONEY -CLAIM IT WAS A DONATION- DESPITE OUR CONTRACTS AND HAVE EXPELLED FROM PENSACOLA BASTARDS INSTITUTE AND BIBLE BASTARDS CHURCH IF I SO MUCH AS OPENED MY MOUTH THAT HE DEFRAUDED US.
I DIDN'T OPEN MY MOUTH, I SCREAMED IT OUT TO HIGH HEAVEN AND YES THE BASTARDS RUCKMAN AND HIS CROANIES THREW
ME OUT ON THE STREET LIKE IF I WAS A RABBID DOG.
SIX MONTHS AND TWO DAYS LATER I FINALLY HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO PETER RUCKMAN OVER THE PHONE JUST ABOUT AN HOUR AGO AND HERE IS WHAT RUCKMAN HAD TO SAY.
I ASKED HIM TO HELP US RECOVER THE 9 PRINTING PRESSES MCARDLE BOUGHT WITH THE MONEY HE DEFRAUDED OUT OF US...
RUCKMAN SAID 'I DON'T WANT OR CARE TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT'
I ASKED HIM WHY THEY THREW ME OUT OF HIS CHURCH AND BIBLE INSTUTE (HE NEVER HAD GIVEN A DIRECT ANSWER BEFORE...NOT IN 6 MONTHS...TOO BUSY SCREWING OVER AND STEALING FROM OTHER PEOPLE I GUESS)
RUCKMAN SAID HE 'HAD NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT'
I ASKED HIM WHETHER HE EVEN CARED THAT WE SOLD OUR HOME (COST OF $30,000) AND MOVED TO PENSACOLA (COST OF $5000) AND SET UP A FACILITY FOR OUR BIBLE INSTITUTE (COST OF $15,000 DOLLARS) AND LOST A YEAR OF WAGES AND MCARDLE STOLE A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM US ON TOP OF THAT...
...YOU KNOW WHAT THE GODLESS BASTARD SAID?...HE SAID 'DO YOU THINK I GIVE A FLIP ABOUT THAT?'...HE SAID HE COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT IT, AND THEN HE EMBELLISHED ON THAT...WHAT MAKES ME THINK HE WOULD GIVE A DAMN?
RUCKMAN THEN SAID A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER NONSENSE...THAT HE IS JUST A HUMBLE EMPLOYEE OF THE CHURCH, THAT HE DOES NOT TAKE CARE OF ANYTHING, THAT I HAVE TO TALK TO HIS BOARD OF BASTARDS, CROOKS, JESUIT PRIESTS AND SEX PERVERTS ABOUT IT...THAT KIND OF NONSENSE.
I ASKED HIM IF I THOUGHT I WAS SOME CLUELESS 18-20 YEAR OLD HOMESCHOOLED IDIOT THAT'S BEEN BROWBEATEN INTO BELIEVING EVERYTHING IS A SIN
HE JUST DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN...AGAIN HE THREATENED CHARACTER ASSASINATION...APPARENTLY THE JESUIT PRIESTS AND BASTARDS AT MY OLD CHURCH GAVE HIM SOME BAD MARKS ON ME AND RUCKMAN THINKS THAT'S GOING TO HOLD ANY WEIGHT IN COURT OVER OUR CONTRACTUAL BUSINESS
RUCKMAN IS A DOG...HE JUST DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN...HE'S JADED, TIRED, FED UP AND COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG
THEN WHAT IS THIS BASTARD DOING IN THE MINISTRY??? GET OUT...
THE TRUTH IS THAT HE'S LYING...HE'S RUNNING THE WHOLE SHOW AND HE'S PLAYING GOOD COP BAD COP...HE THINKS WE'RE STUPID ENOUGH (LIKE A JOSH STEVENSON OR HIS LITTLE WETBACK DISCIPLE) TO BELIEVE THAT NONSENSE
THESE HARDENED CRIMINALS STEAL FOR A LIVING AND HE JUST DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN...THEY ALREADY STOLE OUR MONEY, THEY SHIPPED ME OUT TO HIDE THE PRESSES, I'M IN CALIFORNIA AND THE PRESSES HALF OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN SHIPPED OUT TO CUBA, CHILE AND COLOMBIA TO MCARDLE'S CRIMINAL ACCOMPLICES DOWN THERE (MARCO PEREZ IN COLOMBIA AND PHIL ROBINSON IN CHILE_, OTHERS ARE IN EATON OHIO UNDER RON SPARKS AND VINCE LARUE AND STILL OTHERS ARE BEING HID BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF RUCKMAN'S CHURCH AND RON FORTE AND THE REST OF RUCKMAN'S CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.
AND RUCKMAN SAYS HE DOESN'T GIVE A FLIP...TYPICAL...THESE BASTARDS HAVE HAD THEIR CONSIENCE SEARED AS WITH A HOT IRON
THAT'S FINE!
MAY THE GOD OF JUSTICE COME DOWN ON THESE GODLESS REPROBATES AND BREAK THEIR FILTHY WAYS IN HALF...THESE DOGS ARE FULL OF INIQUITY, GUILE AND THEY ARE RUTHLESS CRIMINALS AND GODLESS CROOKS!
IN CHRIST,
SPANISH BAPTIST PRESS
THIS UPDATE IS BEING EMAILED TO OVER 5000 PASTORS AND MINISTRY LEADERS ACROSS THE US AND LATIN AMERICA.
ON AUGUST 18TH (TWO DAYS AGO) MARKED THE SIX MONTH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DAY WE FOUND OUT MCARDLE WAS GOING
TO STEAL OUR MONEY -CLAIM IT WAS A DONATION- DESPITE OUR CONTRACTS AND HAVE EXPELLED FROM PENSACOLA BASTARDS INSTITUTE AND BIBLE BASTARDS CHURCH IF I SO MUCH AS OPENED MY MOUTH THAT HE DEFRAUDED US.
I DIDN'T OPEN MY MOUTH, I SCREAMED IT OUT TO HIGH HEAVEN AND YES THE BASTARDS RUCKMAN AND HIS CROANIES THREW
ME OUT ON THE STREET LIKE IF I WAS A RABBID DOG.
SIX MONTHS AND TWO DAYS LATER I FINALLY HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO PETER RUCKMAN OVER THE PHONE JUST ABOUT AN HOUR AGO AND HERE IS WHAT RUCKMAN HAD TO SAY.
I ASKED HIM TO HELP US RECOVER THE 9 PRINTING PRESSES MCARDLE BOUGHT WITH THE MONEY HE DEFRAUDED OUT OF US...
RUCKMAN SAID 'I DON'T WANT OR CARE TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT'
I ASKED HIM WHY THEY THREW ME OUT OF HIS CHURCH AND BIBLE INSTUTE (HE NEVER HAD GIVEN A DIRECT ANSWER BEFORE...NOT IN 6 MONTHS...TOO BUSY SCREWING OVER AND STEALING FROM OTHER PEOPLE I GUESS)
RUCKMAN SAID HE 'HAD NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT'
I ASKED HIM WHETHER HE EVEN CARED THAT WE SOLD OUR HOME (COST OF $30,000) AND MOVED TO PENSACOLA (COST OF $5000) AND SET UP A FACILITY FOR OUR BIBLE INSTITUTE (COST OF $15,000 DOLLARS) AND LOST A YEAR OF WAGES AND MCARDLE STOLE A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM US ON TOP OF THAT...
...YOU KNOW WHAT THE GODLESS BASTARD SAID?...HE SAID 'DO YOU THINK I GIVE A FLIP ABOUT THAT?'...HE SAID HE COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT IT, AND THEN HE EMBELLISHED ON THAT...WHAT MAKES ME THINK HE WOULD GIVE A DAMN?
RUCKMAN THEN SAID A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER NONSENSE...THAT HE IS JUST A HUMBLE EMPLOYEE OF THE CHURCH, THAT HE DOES NOT TAKE CARE OF ANYTHING, THAT I HAVE TO TALK TO HIS BOARD OF BASTARDS, CROOKS, JESUIT PRIESTS AND SEX PERVERTS ABOUT IT...THAT KIND OF NONSENSE.
I ASKED HIM IF I THOUGHT I WAS SOME CLUELESS 18-20 YEAR OLD HOMESCHOOLED IDIOT THAT'S BEEN BROWBEATEN INTO BELIEVING EVERYTHING IS A SIN
HE JUST DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN...AGAIN HE THREATENED CHARACTER ASSASINATION...APPARENTLY THE JESUIT PRIESTS AND BASTARDS AT MY OLD CHURCH GAVE HIM SOME BAD MARKS ON ME AND RUCKMAN THINKS THAT'S GOING TO HOLD ANY WEIGHT IN COURT OVER OUR CONTRACTUAL BUSINESS
RUCKMAN IS A DOG...HE JUST DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN...HE'S JADED, TIRED, FED UP AND COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG
THEN WHAT IS THIS BASTARD DOING IN THE MINISTRY??? GET OUT...
THE TRUTH IS THAT HE'S LYING...HE'S RUNNING THE WHOLE SHOW AND HE'S PLAYING GOOD COP BAD COP...HE THINKS WE'RE STUPID ENOUGH (LIKE A JOSH STEVENSON OR HIS LITTLE WETBACK DISCIPLE) TO BELIEVE THAT NONSENSE
THESE HARDENED CRIMINALS STEAL FOR A LIVING AND HE JUST DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN...THEY ALREADY STOLE OUR MONEY, THEY SHIPPED ME OUT TO HIDE THE PRESSES, I'M IN CALIFORNIA AND THE PRESSES HALF OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN SHIPPED OUT TO CUBA, CHILE AND COLOMBIA TO MCARDLE'S CRIMINAL ACCOMPLICES DOWN THERE (MARCO PEREZ IN COLOMBIA AND PHIL ROBINSON IN CHILE_, OTHERS ARE IN EATON OHIO UNDER RON SPARKS AND VINCE LARUE AND STILL OTHERS ARE BEING HID BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF RUCKMAN'S CHURCH AND RON FORTE AND THE REST OF RUCKMAN'S CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.
AND RUCKMAN SAYS HE DOESN'T GIVE A FLIP...TYPICAL...THESE BASTARDS HAVE HAD THEIR CONSIENCE SEARED AS WITH A HOT IRON
THAT'S FINE!
MAY THE GOD OF JUSTICE COME DOWN ON THESE GODLESS REPROBATES AND BREAK THEIR FILTHY WAYS IN HALF...THESE DOGS ARE FULL OF INIQUITY, GUILE AND THEY ARE RUTHLESS CRIMINALS AND GODLESS CROOKS!
IN CHRIST,
SPANISH BAPTIST PRESS
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